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Ph. Delaunoy
European Co-ordinator
Belgium
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 Posted - 06/10/2009 : 12:41:31
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Here are the 1909-1910 French Regulations followed for the construction of Nomadic.
They are kept in excellent condition in Paris by Bureau Veritas and named 'Rules & Regulations of steel and iron vessels'
Those document will be useful for the Conservation Management Plan.
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Philippe
European Coordinator
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Roo
Above Average Member
United Kingdom
174 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2009 : 16:11:32
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Phil,
That is extraordinary work!
Such expertise you have my friend.
What is the next step regards this?
Roo.
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Ph. Delaunoy
European Co-ordinator
Belgium
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Posted - 06/10/2009 : 22:12:37
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Roo,
Bureau Veritas made a digital copy of those documents FOR FREE ! And received some Lone Stars in compensation :)
Frazer Nash got a copy and I'll be happy to share it with you too  |
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Philippe
European Coordinator
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Jonathan Smith
Above Average Member
United Kingdom
283 Posts |
Posted - 07/10/2009 : 10:59:52
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This sounds very interesting.
Would the TRMA be able to obtain a digital copy? |
Trustee & Researcher - TRMA (Titanic Research & Modeling Association) www.titanic-model.com
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Nigel Hampson
Membership Secretary
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/10/2009 : 11:06:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Ph. Delaunoy
Roo,
Bureau Veritas made a digital copy of those documents FOR FREE ! And received some Lone Stars in compensation :)
Frazer Nash got a copy and I'll be happy to share it with you too
Hi Phil,
I could use a copy of this, it would be very useful. Could you possibly send me one either by email or post?
Thanks,
Nige |
Nigel Hampson
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Ph. Delaunoy
European Co-ordinator
Belgium
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Posted - 07/10/2009 : 15:00:17
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Jonathan, Nigel,
I have the files in my computer at home. I'll see if I can send them by email or not and I'll come back to you. |
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Philippe
European Coordinator
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Jonathan Smith
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United Kingdom
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John White
Administrator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/10/2009 : 19:48:14
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and myself too Phil,
merci
John |
John White
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Ph. Delaunoy
European Co-ordinator
Belgium
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Posted - 08/10/2009 : 15:33:31
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John,
Do you mean you're a gentleman too or do you want a copy of the regulations too ?    |
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Philippe
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jds88
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 09/10/2009 : 03:15:59
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Would the Titanic have been built with these regulations in mind as well, since she serviced a French port?
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Ph. Delaunoy
European Co-ordinator
Belgium
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Posted - 09/10/2009 : 11:14:44
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| Nomadic had to follow those regulations as she was based in a French port. |
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Philippe
European Coordinator
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Nigel Hampson
Membership Secretary
United Kingdom
258 Posts |
Posted - 09/10/2009 : 19:12:12
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quote:
Originally posted by Ph. Delaunoy
Jonathan, Nigel,
I have the files in my computer at home. I'll see if I can send them by email or not and I'll come back to you.
Thanks Phil, much appreciated.
And John White - a gentleman ???????
I've heard the rumours !!!!! |
Nigel Hampson
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Jonathan Smith
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Ph. Delaunoy
European Co-ordinator
Belgium
367 Posts |
Posted - 19/10/2009 : 10:18:12
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All,
The files are too big to be emailed. I'll look for another solution ... |
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Philippe
European Coordinator
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David Scott-Beddard
Chairman
United Kingdom
227 Posts |
Posted - 21/10/2009 : 08:34:38
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Phil,
please try tis wonderful new tool called YouSendIt. It allows you to compress large files (up to 20gb) and send them via e mail.
www.yousendit.com
Let me know if it works for you. |
David Scott-Beddard
Chairman
Nomadic Preservation Society
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Roo
Above Average Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/10/2009 : 11:12:22
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Hi Phil,
In case you didn't receive my recent email, can I register my interest in having a copy of these sent to me too?
Any news on the actual construction plans yet?
Cheers,
Roo.
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Nigel Hampson
Membership Secretary
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/10/2009 : 11:25:45
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quote:
Originally posted by David Scott-Beddard
Phil,
please try tis wonderful new tool called YouSendIt. It allows you to compress large files (up to 20gb) and send them via e mail.
www.yousendit.com
Let me know if it works for you.
I can reccomend it - it works and is very easy to use.....well if I can use it - anyone can  |
Nigel Hampson
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Ph. Delaunoy
European Co-ordinator
Belgium
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Posted - 21/10/2009 : 15:32:38
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Ok, I'll try it.
Roo, I understood your request |
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Philippe
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Jonathan Smith
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United Kingdom
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adam
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
332 Posts |
Posted - 24/10/2009 : 00:58:29
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| If that doesn't work Phil I can give you an account on the NPS web server for you to upload the files to - if you want the details let me know. |
Adam Hiscocks
Forum Admin & Resident IT Boffin
Scotland
Nomadic Preservation Society
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Léon
Average Member
France
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Posted - 25/10/2009 : 16:49:36
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Dear Phillipe,
I send: PM User.
I thank you in advance.
There is a link on PM User
Thank you very much. 
Regards
My E-mail : l.codus@gmail.com
in french:
Cher Phillipe,
J'ai envoyer un : PM User .
je vous dis merci d'avance.
Il y a un link sur PM User
Merci beaucoup.
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Jonathan Smith
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Ph. Delaunoy
European Co-ordinator
Belgium
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Posted - 27/10/2009 : 08:51:54
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Adam,
I think the best it to have it on NPS website indeed. Could you please let me know how to upload the files ?
Thanks
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Philippe
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Léon
Average Member
France
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Posted - 28/10/2009 : 10:16:36
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Dear Philip,
Have you received my e-mail?
Have you received the message on two private forums "Nomadic Preservation Society Forum" Encyclopedia-titanica.org "
I was wondering if you agreed?
Thank you to you Philippe.
Regards.
In french:
Cher Philippe,
Avez vous reçu mon e-mail ?
Avez vous reçu les messages privée sur deux forums "Nomadic Preservation Society Forum" Encyclopedia-titanica.org"
Je voudrais savoir si vous était d'accord?
Merci à vous Philippe.
Salutation. |
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Jonathan Smith
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United Kingdom
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John White
Administrator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/11/2009 : 13:05:45
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Adam, can you look for Bruce Bevridges post, it has gone from this thread! it played a valuable role and gave input from a renowned TITANIC AUTHORITY!
CHEERS
John |
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adam
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/11/2009 : 16:38:54
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| It looks like it's been deleted. |
Adam Hiscocks
Forum Admin & Resident IT Boffin
Scotland
Nomadic Preservation Society
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Jonathan Smith
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Posted - 07/11/2009 : 17:05:05
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| Well, to echo what Bruce had posted (which has been deleated), the Nomadic was registered in Cherbourg under a 'flag of convenience' and built to British BoT rather than BV. Although manned by a French crew, there would have been no need for her to be built to satisfy the French authorities. |
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Bruce Beveridge
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USA
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Posted - 07/11/2009 : 20:13:59
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It doesn't even have to do with authorities. The B/V was a classification society. They were just like Lloyds Register. There were a good ten or so of these societies back then. An American one, German etc. They created specifications for ships and assigned grades just like Lloyds A1 and so fourth. The group was a risk assessment company and basically were relevant when it came to insurance. It was not mandatory to build ships to the B/V in France as far as I know. It certainly wasn't in the UK. Was there a governmental agency like the British BoT in France? If so, they would be the ones that dictated the final scantling specifications. The BoT recognized the B/V as a qualified classification agency along with Lloyds Register.
As for White Star, they were insured through a private group created by ship line companies - kind of like an insurance pool, which was underwritten by Lloyds of London, but was not affiliated with Lloyds Register - a classification society. Nomadic would have been insured just as the other ships of the line were. As we know, Titanic was not classified A1 by Llyods, and this created some short circuits in the minds of those attorneys during the testimony after the sinking.
I'd like to see a book of scantling regulations from the Bot from 1911! I have the full collection of regulations of the BoT from 1911 (there were numerous volumes and not necessarily printed together in one volume), but it is not scantlings for ships, it is a book of who did what, with whom, how many stairways, width of alleyways, lifeboats and so on.
If you want to prove what if any classification society Nomadic was registered under, find a picture of her Plimsoll line marking. On the horizontal line that intersects the round circular disk will be initials. Titanic has B and T for Board of Trade. You will see most British ships with L R - Lloyds Register, and you will see B V for Bureau Veritas. These societies were the ones that fixed the load lines, if in fact they were used for classifications at all. These agencies issued insurance ratings for lack of a better term.
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Bruce Beveridge
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Posted - 07/11/2009 : 20:37:55
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When I stated "Was there a governmental agency like the British BoT in France? If so, they would be the ones that dictated the final scantling specifications." I did not mean for Nomadic, but for French built ships.
The insurance issue is one main points the conspiracy nuts get wrong. The Olympic class was not insured for full replacement cost. They were insured to cover loss of cargo and private property. The Titanic cost over 7 million pounds when fully fitted out with full installation of furniture and sundries etc. but was insured for what? I forgot now - something like 150,000 pounds equal to about 400,000 USD at that time(it's been a long time). Anything over that amount was out of pocket. I mean, people seem to think that insurance on these vessels was like buying full coverage for your BMW. The owners would hope that if damage occured, it be the fault of some outside entity like - oh - another companies ship, and not the fault of their own captain. That way they could recoup the loss from the other party - unless you were damaged by the Admiralty it seems right?
Sinking a 7 Million dollar ship on purpose is in no way a gain for thre White Star Line.It certainly helps when part owner of the shipping company is also the builder - because both then have a vested interest in making sure the ships are up to top specs and qualitiy, and there is always a way to find the money to build and maintain the ships when time comes. That was true for the White Star Line.
Bruce
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John White
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Posted - 08/11/2009 : 11:02:06
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Adam,do you know who deleted it? as it wasnt authorised by ourselves? too many fingers in the pie,
John |
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